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Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Green Jeep Trivia
« on: May 24, 2011, 12:36:30 am »
This same calendar has a picture of a brochure indicating the M606 was a CJ-3B "Modified" and what those modification are. So, the M606 would have been developed from the CJ-3B.

- Dave

Well, there's our first out of at least four.

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Prototypes
« on: May 22, 2011, 10:58:22 pm »
1.  The Willys BC didn't make it to production but this quarter ton served the same design criteria during the Viet-Nam War era.

2.  This vehicle was based on the VJ Jeepster and had an all aluminum body.

3.  Willys built the Quad, Bantam built a Reconnaissance Car, and Ford actually built these two pre-production prototypes submittals.

4.  The CJ-4MA was only shown as a prototype but the production version was this model.

5.  The "Creep" was shown in 57-8 but the civil service it was intended for ended up later buying this ubiquitous model.

6.  In 1990, the Jeep Freedom was based on this production model.

7.  The 1996 Jeep Casablanca concept was based on this production model.

8.  A four door concept vehicle called the Dakar eventually became this popular model.

9.  Of the three manufacturers who supplied early prototypes for what would become the WWII jeep, this one built fifty of their rear steer version.

10.  In 1954, Willys showed a model called the Stand Drive but two similar production models later had these Toyota-like model designations.

11.  The Ford XM-151 became this military quarter ton.

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Green Jeep Trivia
« on: May 22, 2011, 10:33:53 pm »

You're answering backwards....Soylent wants civilian models that were later developed into military models.

True.  While we all know that the MB served as the basis for the CJ-2 and -2A and that the M38A1 (MD) morphed into the CJ-5 three years after its introduction, I'm interested in the several military models which started their life as the civvy version of the Jeep Universal/Universal Jeep.

Leave out the pickups, vans, station wagons, roadsters, and ambulances please.  We can work on those later...

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Here's three easy ones...
« on: May 22, 2011, 10:26:09 pm »
I read elsewhere the Maverick edition was only available on 2wd's.

DRW was also an option on the FC170.

Correct and correct.


Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Green Jeep Trivia
« on: May 09, 2011, 08:00:59 pm »
Most early civilian jeeps developed from military models that were "demilitarized" to become civilian models, however, sometimes this went the other way.  Name four quarter tons that were developed first as civilian models before being drafted into the military.

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Red Jeep Movie Trivia
« on: May 06, 2011, 08:40:08 pm »
CJ-7 Renegade.

That non-electronic ignition and carburetor won't be effected by the EMP, ya know?


Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Red Jeep Movie Trivia
« on: May 05, 2011, 08:38:18 am »
John Wayne drove this red jeep in Hellfighters.

Another red jeep was driven by Tommy Lee Jones in Coal Miner's Daughter.

Dr. Elizabeth Clay had this model of red jeep in Road House.

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Out of Gas!
« on: April 17, 2011, 11:29:11 pm »
You know a surprising amount of the membership would probably fail those pat downs and metal detectors right,  Our meeting can be described as a "armed camp" sometimes.  This makes me comfortable that I associate with my kind of people.  ;D

Just so I am not completely off topic,  which I am, There was a diesel available in '61-'65 CJ-5s,  it was a Perkins 192 I4 diesel engine I think,  need to goggle that.  I also think that in the 1940 or early 5s there was a factory available kit to make the old 134 flat head gas motor into a diesel,  but I don't know if it was sold.  I am also shocked that now one spouted out all the late model jeeps that have diesel options.

The Perkins diesel powered CJ-5 is indeed one of the last non-gasoline engined jeeps that I was looking for.

The other that I can think of would be the DJ-5E which, I understand, was powered by a bank of batteries for inner city use.

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Here's three easy ones...
« on: April 17, 2011, 11:26:56 pm »
The James Garner Maverick edition I'm thinking of is actually an all steel station wagon option.

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Here's three easy ones...
« on: April 08, 2011, 08:25:36 am »
Which jeep model had sub models called Tuxedo Park, Levi's Edition, and Playboy Edition?

Which jeep model had a Maverick edition?  (named after the TV show starring James Garner)

And which jeep model was available with the three letter designation "DRW" tacked on to it?

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Out of Gas!
« on: April 08, 2011, 08:20:24 am »

I think I'll wear my Kevlar vest to our Club Meeting Friday evening  ;D

Good luck with that.  I'm going to assume that from a distance of 1300 miles, I am safe.

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Out of Gas!
« on: April 07, 2011, 07:21:16 pm »
Don't worry...Adam has had his chained yanked more times than he can count...He's married too  ::)
Oh my....A station wagon driver...wait til Fridays meeting of introductions

That's kinder than what we normally call XJs down here.  Whenever a new one would join the Orlando Jeep Club, someone would always say, "Awesome, another garbage truck..."

The owner of course, being new and afraid of stepping into an argument with an established member, typically would look confused but remain quiet.

And then on the next trail ride they'd find out why.  As members picked up trash at lunch stops or places where everyone stops to watch others, someone would always drag the trash bags to the back gates of all the XJs. 

"Hey, you've got the room in there for this, right?"


Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Out of Gas!
« on: April 06, 2011, 09:47:00 pm »
i seen a yj with a turbo diesel a couple of jeep meetings ago. or was it a tj, all them barbie jeeps look alike....

Are you saying it came with that engine?  Cause that's what I'd expect from a station wagon driver...

Just kidding.  I don't know you to be yanking your chain for real.

Beginners Class (Seniors Stay OUT) / Re: History Question 2
« on: April 06, 2011, 09:42:38 pm »
I've got an answer that will clear up some of the misconceptions posted in this thread.

First, Ford did not produce jeeps under contract from anybody but the Army's Quartermaster Corps.  Willys won the contract on price just like everything else.  It certainly helped that they had a more powerful engine which is most likely the reason that their entry was not immediately disqualified for being overweight. 

Henry Ford, being the contrary sort that he was, said, "Ohhh, hell no!" or whatever the equivalent of this was in 1941.  Ford's factories were producing bombers, tanks, trucks, and all sorts of vehicles for the war effort and Henry was determined not to be left out of the 1/4 ton reconnaissance car market.  So his sales people went back to the procurement offices and pointed out that Ford had factories everywhere; Willys-Overland had one.  Sabotage, union strikes, material shortages, transportation problems, or--God forbid--the war coming to our shores could certainly hamper Willys' ability to produce the needed number of vehicles at their one factory.  (Let's remember here that Willys-Overland--like a lot of car builders of the era--was more of an "assembler" of parts than a complete manufacturer.  Ford had foundries, stamping plants, steel mills, design studios, upholstery shops, and even a Brazilian rubber plantation.  Which one is more likely to be screwed when a distant supplier is burned to the ground, bombed, sabotaged, suffers a work stoppage, or has a supply line cut by an enemy advance?)

The procurement officers were convinced, especially when demand far exceeded what Willys could produce in Toledo, and Ford won a secondary contract.  While Willys and Ford both continually built jeeps throughout the war, Willys built every one of theirs in Toledo, Ohio.  Ford built theirs in plants all over America, including Richmond, CA; Dearborn, MI; Dallas, TX, Louisville, KY; Chester, PA; and Edgewater, NJ.

GP (Ford's prototype) and GPW (Ford's production jeep) do not stand for General Purpose or General Purpose Willys.

In Ford's nomenclature of the time, G stood for a government project.  P is for an 80 inch wheelbase reconnaissance car.

When Willys' design was chosen as the "winner" and Ford received their plans and patterns to make theirs exactly like and interchangeable with the Willys MB (Military model B), the W was added to indicate that this was built to the Willys pattern. 

Ford also built the GPA (A for "Amphibious") and the GPB (although the "Burma Jeep" is more of a truck--lighter than the the 2-1/2 ton--for use on tight winding mountain roads in the Pacific theater.)

Ford did have one more contribution to add to the overall design of the jeep, though.  Clarence Kramer at Ford had designed a one piece stamped radiator protector that was lighter and much cheaper to produce.  After building roughly 25,000 MBs with their welded together, heavy, slat grills, Willys was ordered to switch theirs to the Ford design which featured 11 vertical slots to allow air to the radiator.  From then on, with the same grill design, it became very hard to tell a Willys MB from a Ford GPW from more than ten feet away.  And now you know why jeeps still have a Ford grill in them.

Sorry for going overboard with the history, but the "General Purpose Willys" myth must die!

Senior Class (C'mon..Stump Em') / Re: Out of Gas!
« on: April 06, 2011, 07:48:32 pm »
Military FC's (M677 - 678 - 679) had the Cerlist 3 cyl. diesel that created 75 hp

2007 Grand Cherokee had the Bosch Developed Mercedes 3.0 Diesel but not sure if sold domestically

Good job on the 3 cylinder Cerlist diesel in the M676, M677, M678, and M679.

I can think of two more that meet the "no gas" criteria.

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